Sunday, January 10, 2016

Mega Man Content Coming To Monster Hunter X


Today, Capcom Japan announced a special collaboration between Mega Man and Monster Hunter X, the latest entry in their breadwinning franchise.

Starting February 25th, players can outfit their Palico with "Rocknyan" armor, the Rush Hammer and engage in a "Yellow Devil" event hunt. Special Rockman guild cards and titles will be available as well. View the trailer for the collaboration above.

Source: Nintendo Everything

37 comments:

  1. Interesting.

    Watching all the powers flash through like that seems kind of reminiscent of the Smash trailer too. That's kinda cool.

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  2. Sorry but its useless, Capcom. Sighing.

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  3. WTF am I watching

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    1. the death of a franchise.

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  4. Merchandise and cameos is what we have been getting for years now.

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    1. For good reason. I agree with a company that gives a series a billion chances to break through and keep up with the competition, yet only get mediocre returns both financially and in terms of morale, and "fans" that are just talk. The 10% that actually do support the series are whiny and never satisfied, that is until years later when they can seem hip looking back at ancient games, and the .1% that actually do everything right have to go at odds with the 99.9% whenever discoursing and providing opinions.

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    2. Oh please.

      The company didn't "give" this series any more chances than any other series. They kept making Mega Man games because they were profitable. The higher ups probably didn't expect the series to make it past game 1 considering they only let the 2nd one get made if the employees were willing to work on it on their own time. They skimped out on the budget by doing things like little to no advertising for the games outside of Japan in order to keep the games lower budgets so it was easier to make a return on their investment. That's an okay strategy, but don't act like they did everything they could to make this series sell.

      Fans are just talk? If sales were so constantly mediocre Mega Man would be left with all the other series Capcom does nothing with. That's not the case. Merchandise has been being pumped out for years because it has been selling for years.

      Also labeling all fans as "whiny" is as idiotic as anything I've seen. Full stop. Having complaints because you feel a company is mishandling is something anyone should be able to voice, but why are you implying the fans actively supporting the franchise shouldn't?

      "Never satisfied." Please, the amount of people who were happy with Mega Man 9 despite so many other Capcom series getting bigger budget games flies in the face of that. As does the overwhelmingly positive reaction to Mega Man in Smash. If they do things well, they get a positive reaction.

      Funny how that works.

      Finally if anything you said were actually true, they wouldn't be starting up again with a new cartoon next year. There's money to be made with the series and they know it.

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    3. The series made so much MONEYS they cut it dry the second the guy with enough power pushing for it left.

      Go sit somewhere.

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    4. No one cares for MM in Smash anymore, he was just a flavor of the months gimmick, a gimmick that worked so well (sarcasm) Nintendo had to repeat it at least four more times with infinitely more popular characters, one of which hails from under the same umbrella (cause might as well use something valuable while still under contract) as MM but actually has passionate fans and public support carrying it to the point where Capcom has now dedicated an entire sub division to it and has developed an Esports program tailored specifically for it.

      If you take the aforementioned seat good things might happen.

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    5. "if anything you said were actually true, they wouldn't be starting up again with a new cartoon next year"

      Oh yeah the reboot from the western animation studio. I wonder why Capcom is trying to approach the series at different angles *and giving it yet another chance*. Probably because what they had in the past worked so well for them right?

      The seat, she is a welcoming hostess, go to her, make her feel appreciated.

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    6. @AnonymousJanuary 10, 2016 at 11:20 PM

      Yeah, you know you're right. It's not like their bringing out a new cartoon next year with a bunch of multimedia stuff planned. They're doing that because there's no money to be made and Capcom just loves burning money on this series.

      They canceled projects because a person who was fairly important to almost all of them left. That's really not that surprising. But they are doing more with the series because it's profitable.

      Why don't you take a seat and pay attention. Maybe you can sit by the Darkstalkers, Viewetiful Joe, and various other Capcom fans whose series don't make enough money to continue.

      @AnonymousJanuary 10, 2016 at 11:34 PM

      You keep rolling with the idiotic claims. Plenty of people still care for Mega Man in Smash. For a good number of people it set a standard of quality people want to see from Capcom in the future. Be it for crossovers, or actual Mega Man games, because it was implemented so well.

      A gimmick? No, it was not a gimmick. Sakurai told us why Mega Man got put in Smash. Because he was the 2nd most requested third party character after Sonic to be in the game. Why don't you tell me how that happened. If other fanbases have "passionate fans" but Mega Man doesn't, how was a franchise that was so poorly mishandled by Capcom for years the most requested after Sonic? It's because Mega Man fans are very passionate and you're making garbage up to try and fabricate a point.

      The reason characters like Ryu waited for DLC is because Sakurai decided to focus on actually listening to what fans were asking for. You know, kind of the opposite of how Mega Man was requested time and time again for Marvel 3 but Capcom decided not to listen. I guess listening to fan demand is a "gimmick" now.

      And are you really using Street Fighter as your counter point here? Ono had to fight Capcom every step of the way last gen up till release day to get Street Fighter 4 made. Because Street Fighter's sales were so bad before that. They took a chance with a big budget and Ono got it to work. Clearly Capcom understands how "passionate" their fans are when they were so resistant to making that game happen. Compare that to the 8 bit throw away titles Mega Man got, which sold better than Capcom was expecting anyway, and you want to try and compare the two? Street Fighter V wouldn't even be coming out right now if Sony hadn't stepped in with a ton of money.

      Either both Anons are the same or you're both morons who need to take a seat yourselves and get some perspective.

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    7. "Yeah, you know you're right. It's not like their bringing out a new cartoon next year with a bunch of multimedia stuff planned. They're doing that because there's no money to be made and Capcom just loves burning money on this series."

      That's the point I'm trying to make, thank you for catching on.

      "They canceled projects because a person who was fairly important to almost all of them left. That's really not that surprising. But they are doing more with the series because it's profitable."

      I wasn't talking cancelled projects but thanks fro bringing up that point as well, as it adds to my position positively. Also you do realize COMPANIES PAY CAPCOM to do merch right? Not the other way around, and guess what, even they cann the products after poor reception.

      "Why don't you take a seat and pay attention. Maybe you can sit by the Darkstalkers, Viewetiful Joe, and various other Capcom fans whose series don't make enough money to continue."

      I'm already sitting next to them, that is the difference between you and I, you're standing next to the occupied podium waiting for a turn hopelessly, trying to act like you're above us. Take your own advice MAN. BTW VJ and DS are in the exact same boat as MM, all guests but can't keep a house for the life of them.

      "You keep rolling with the idiotic claims. Plenty of people still care for Mega Man in Smash. For a good number of people it set a standard of quality people want to see from Capcom in the future. Be it for crossovers, or actual Mega Man games, because it was implemented so well."

      Conjecture, before you retort with "so is your claim", let me stop you there and say I already know that obvious bit, only difference is I'm right.

      "A gimmick? No, it was not a gimmick. Sakurai told us why Mega Man got put in Smash. Because he was the 2nd most requested third party character after Sonic to be in the game."

      BULL BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLL MM A. is nowhere near the popularity or should I say financial viability of Sonic, it must have been a steep number 2, B. That poll had to have been from an ancient pre brawl time, for Sonic to be requested, so because of all the different variables from then and Brawl to now, it can't possibly be used as a viable source. Either way I call BS, MM has never made it that high on a popularity contest against giants PERIOD

      "kind of the opposite of how Mega Man was requested time and time again for Marvel 3 but Capcom decided not to listen."

      Oh you mean the small waring factions that fought for X, Classic, Volnutt and EXE? Oh yeah Them, Tell me how many playable characters are in MvC3 from MM, then tell me how many from Smash. BTW treating Zero and Tron as junk toss away characters from the MM franchise is a little bitter, seeing as how one has a game and the other an entire series dedicated to them, not to mention one of them plays like MM on super crack already, pays homage to a Blue Bomber and was also created and implemented before anyone COULD request a character. Not even mentioning the clearly jokingly made guest in SFxT that everyone and their mom took offense to. Also how many people care about Phoenix Wright after crying for that illogical inclusion? Oh right close to none, because it is just a burst sales gimmick.

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    8. part 2

      "And are you really using Street Fighter as your counter point here? Ono had to fight Capcom every step of the way last gen up till release day to get Street Fighter 4 made. Because Street Fighter's sales were so bad before that."

      You are half right, true, true but not because of sales, but because of alienation, they simply thought there wasn't a market for it anymore, and that was looking at it from the overall 2D fighter perspective. All this after one supposed series failed with a couple of games, BUTTT! Since then Street Fighter strives because its fans strive, it has market appeal and it works for Capcom as a business. You wanna know why? It's cause its fans know the taste of going without it, even if the game wasn't perfect they supported it that way it can continue and improve, unlike say... Mega Man fans with X8, ZX, MML etc and their pathetic sales. Mega Man fans are like the spoiled child that the parents eventually had to cut off for it to grow up, Street Fighter's is like the big brother that works hard and gets results but is never respected for it from the other entitled children.

      The chair is right under you, just make the connection with it. Do it, Do it NOW!

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    9. Oh almost forgot.

      "Street Fighter V wouldn't even be coming out right now if Sony hadn't stepped in with a ton of money."

      What's your point, it would have came out definitely, Sony just sped up the process. Also do you think SF alone can support Capcom? You must have a lot of confidence in it if you say yes. There are so many ways Capcom could bleed in one area and that in turn affects the other areas, that doesn't mean the other areas are responsible or doing bad, in fact it might be them that is keeping the blood pumping.

      "Either both Anons are the same or you're both morons who need to take a seat yourselves and get some perspective."

      Awww... Why you gotta start name calling. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do for you, I'll be a gentleman of the highest caliber and pull up the seat for you... I suggest you sit in it, it feels good, trust in that.

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    10. "That's the point I'm trying to make, thank you for catching on."

      Then your point makes no sense. They wouldn't be doing it at all if they didn't think there was money in it. Also to the "other anon", they've done a western cartoon before and it's ratings were solid. This isn't exactly a "new" thing for them, so I imagine they are doing it because it did in fact work before. Feel free to try again though.

      "I wasn't talking cancelled projects but thanks fro bringing up that point as well, as it adds to my position positively."

      I brought them up because I'm trying to cover all bases, not just pick and choose to focus on whatever I want to try and make it look like I have a point. Unlike what you do. Also, it does not add to your position. Capcom didn't start those projects with the intention of losing money. They started them because they thought they could profit from them.

      As for the merchendise, yes, other companies pay Capcom to do the merchendise when they are the ones releasing it. But that doesn't change the fact that we have seen more in recent years than ever before. But I guess that's because it doesn't sell at all, right? What point are you trying to make?

      Oh and so you say "VJ and DS are in the exact same boat as MM." So where is all of the Viewtiful Joe merchendise? Where's all the Darkstalkers merch? Breath of Fire? Ghost and Goblins? Plenty of other series that don't even get what Mega Man has now. I'll let you try to figure out what that is for yourself.

      You can't be serious with this stuff about Smash. So you don't want me to call you out on your conjecture because "you're right." You're right according to you? Truly I'm shocked.

      "Either way I call BS, MM has never made it that high on a popularity contest against giants PERIOD "

      I mean, you've gone beyond all reason at this point. Sakurai is the one who is at the center of Smash games. He told us the reason why Mega Man is in the game. He never said anything about polls, he is getting requests all the time to put characters in Smash. You've fabricated some poll in your mind and then said it must have been out of date. You're creating situations in your own mind to try and make a point.

      Sakurai told us himself, that Mega Man was the most requested third party character after Sonic. I know you don't like that because it flies in the face of whatever argument you're trying to make up, but if you don't want to accept the man's word and face the facts, there's really nothing I can say to you. You aren't going to see reason here.

      "BTW treating Zero and Tron as junk toss away characters from the MM franchise is a little bitter"

      I never said anything negative about Zero or Tron, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I suppose that's what you have to do when you don't have any legitimate points of your own to make. I also disagree with your assessment that Zero plays like Mega Man would.

      I'm not sure what you're getting at by saying "Tell me how many playable characters are in MvC3 from MM, then tell me how many from Smash." If you're implying that it's a sign that Capcom cares more than the Smash team or something, I'd have a few counter points to raise, but I feel like that's a different discussion. The Smash team listened to what the fans were saying, Capcom chose not to in that instance. that's the only point I was trying to make. That and that it wasn't a "sales gimmick"

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      "Also how many people care about Phoenix Wright after crying for that illogical inclusion? Oh right close to none, because it is just a burst sales gimmick."

      Again, you're pushing your own interpretation of things as if they're fact with no hard evidence. But let me guess, "you're right" because you said so, right? I don't know how many people even care about Marvel 3 at all anymore, let alone which characters are in it, but if a lot of people wanted Wright in the game, then they're probably happier with their purchase since he's in it than they would be if he wasn't.

      You're whole narrative about it being a sales gimmick doesn't make sense anyway with the other narrative you're pushing. If Mega Man is such an unpopular series, as you seem to think it is, why would they use it at all? If there were other franchises that were much more requested, and the "poll" you made up is really outdated, why did they use Mega Man as their "gimmick" and not one of those other "more popular" franchises?

      It doesn't make sense, and that's what happens when you try to fabricate your own stories like you've been trying to do.


      "You are half right, true, true but not because of sales, but because of alienation, they simply thought there wasn't a market for it anymore"

      So the story you're trying to spin now is that Street Fighter was still selling well and the only reason Capcom stopped making them and didn't want to make any more afterwards was not because they weren't selling well, but because the company simply thought their series that was selling well would suddenly stop if they kept making more. Is that what you're getting at?

      There's so much flawed logic there I don't even know where to start and quite frankly I don't think anything I say would get through to you. Mega Man and Street Fighter were in very similar situations for similar reasons before the beginning of the last generation of consoles. Street Fighter got a big game with a huge marketing push. That's what made it such a big success. Mega Man didn't get any of that. Capcom was still happy with the sales of Mega Man 9 and 10 though. But hey, I guess that doesn't matter. You're so far into your own story that those facts probably mean nothing to you.

      The only reason I bring up Street Fighter V is because you're the one acting like Street Fighter is some untouchable gold mine of a series. I do believe Street Fighter V would have come eventually as well, I'm just saying Capcom doesn't seem as gung ho about the series as you seem to think they are. To be fair to them, they likely weren't in the best position to be financially, and their little mistake that was SFxT might have shaken their faith a bit.

      So hey, keep rolling with your little chair thing there. Maybe if you keep it up long enough you can distract from the fact that a lot of the points you've raised only work in your own mind or are even contradictory to other points you've tried to make.

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    12. 1. -RS Cartoon being a thing of success in the past to be replicated.-

      Put down the pipe and sit down, your mind is floating away from your body, standing as that happens is not good.

      2. "I brought them up because"

      Don't care why they add to my position positively. Capcom didn't cann those projects because Keiji is too important, get that mental comfort OUTA HERE. Sit, boy sit.

      3. "What point are you trying to make?"

      That merch coming out "more in recent years than ever before" (caugh BS) is not selling well. Oh and while we're at it neither have the games (the meat&potatos). You're not gonna trip me up guy, my chair is too firmly rooted in the ground and I am clenched to it. Do the same, it is the superior option.

      3. "I'll let you try to figure out what that is for yourself."

      Thanks I appreciate that, I like figuring things on my own, it is what separates me from the sheeple. Oh and as for your other questions I'll name one for each, but before I do, you can't honestly think those series were ever as popular as MM do you? If no, why do
      you think they would get the same level of merch. I said they were in the same boat, I didn't say they all had the same privileges on that boat, if she sinks MM at least has a liferaft. F24 VJ 2016, DS OCW 2014, BOF6 2016, G&G uuuuh UMvC3 that is good enough for it. BTW all these series combined don't match the combined sales of MM2, 3, X, X4, BN3, BN4, MMSF1, MMSF2.... Two from 4 MM series, that's about fair right? Yeah I'm sure you'll agree.

      4."He never said anything about polls"

      Sakurai is a computation machine to remember, compare and tally all the requests he gets for Smash throughout the years of it's run, in his head. That or your BSing. I think I'll choose to believe the latter.

      5."I never said anything negative about Zero or Tron"

      I never said you said anything negative about Zero or Tron, but thanks for the false accusation. As for playing like MM and you not thinking Zero does... Who's the one beyond reason again?

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      6."Again, you're pushing your own interpretation of things as if they're fact with no hard evidence. But let me guess, "you're right" because you said so, right?"

      Done and Done, nothing else needs to be said. Well the fact that I ACTUALLY do actively engage with the UMvC3 community and the PW people are all dried out helps.

      7. "If Mega Man is such an unpopular series, as you seem to think it is, why would they use it at all?"

      Because he was moderately popular in the past, other than that I don't know. Maybe he's a cheap license, and the climate was right. Why are you asking me? All I know is it is not because he is some amazingly popular character giving all sorts of MONEYS, and I hope after these last couple of stunts Nintendo knows that. It doesn't really matter though they got their burst sales anyway.


      8."why did they use Mega Man as their "gimmick" and not one of those other "more popular" franchises?"

      Surprise factor, there's nothing grabbing about yet another Pokemon, What am I saying, yes there is, Pokemon fans will eat that up. Another Pokemon would have made Smash a much more popular game than MM in any case. Answer is IDK, I guess they have SOME integrity not to milk the living hell out of one cow to that degree (even if it would work).

      9."It doesn't make sense"

      I don't get it either, some creators must LOVE Mega Man to death to keep giving it all these opportunities even though it fails most of the time. Good thing I don't run a business, I'm pretty biased for that series as well. I'll say this much though if MM was a Marvel series, it would be buried so far under the ground it would emerge from the ground as a consequence.

      "So the story you're trying to spin now is that Street Fighter was still selling well"

      What? Um...... Don't know how you got that. Talk about spinning words. No, SIIIIT, right, right? And pay attention. SF hit a slump, 2D fighters hit a slump, instead of testing the viability of raising the slump SF was in, they looked at the 2D fighter market and said *yeeeeah, I think I'm gonna make some Resident Evil games, and create some new IPs*. Do, do you get now? You)))Can't)))Bait)))ME, no matter how much you try to make me look deluded. OMFG he's still standing. Just get on the chair dammit!


      "So hey, keep rolling with your little chair thing there."

      You don't roll with the chair silly, I couldn't have possibly given that impression. YOU SIT ON IT. Haven't you learned a thing?

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      I know that you're almost definitely trolling, but I'll take a swing anyway.

      "1. -RS Cartoon being a thing of success in the past to be replicated.-

      Put down the pipe and sit down, your mind is floating away from your body, standing as that happens is not good."

      As different as it was to the source material, the RS cartoon actually got really good ratings. So just wanted to point that out.

      "3. "What point are you trying to make?"

      That merch coming out "more in recent years than ever before" (caugh BS) is not selling well. Oh and while we're at it neither have the games (the meat&potatos)."

      Kinda hard to sell merch if everyone's been waiting for a proper game rather than merch. And it's kinda hard to sell games when there aren't any new games. Also, you put 3 twice.

      "4."He never said anything about polls"

      Sakurai is a computation machine to remember, compare and tally all the requests he gets for Smash throughout the years of it's run, in his head. That or your BSing. I think I'll choose to believe the latter."

      Mighty silly of you to assume that. This is a man whose mind is often changed on big things(DLC in general, Corrin, etc.), so there's little to no reason to think that there's any cause for Sakurai's belief that Mega Man should be in there other than people have (recently) asked for Mega Man.

      There are tons of reaction vids to Mega Man's reveal for Smash, all of them being of people who become so hyped in response. That alone should be enough evidence of Mega Man's popularity.

      "As for playing like MM and you not thinking Zero does" Being perfectly honest, I think the real question here is how you can think that Mega Man would play like Zero. With the exception of the buster, they really don't have much in common abilitywise. Or I guess you may be referring to X, and even then there's still quite a few differences.

      "Another Pokemon would have made Smash a much more popular game than MM in any case. Answer is IDK, I guess they have SOME integrity not to milk the living hell out of one cow to that degree (even if it would work)."

      You say silly things, like there are Pokemon fans who wouldn't have gotten Smash if it didn't have the 5 (excluding Mewtwo) Pokemon in the game already, but that those fans would get the game if one other Pokemon was in. One Pokemon wouldn't make a difference after what the game already has. Mega Man, on the other hand, has a different pool of fans. While there are certainly overlaps in said fan pools, bringing in a new franchise allows for a new set of fans, as well as gives that franchise some new form of advertising. The only problem with that is that Capcom could have taken advantage of the hype around the time of the game's release to promote Mega Man. I would think that that would be an easy decision with minimal effort even, aimed at the Smash community, but they didn't really do anything with it.

      And that's the kind of decision that we're disappointed in. We know that they're capable of making a new game. We've shown that we're willing to buy a new game (because I can only purchase Mega Man 1-6 so many times), and we get a half hearted,' eh'. The merch can be pretty cool sometimes, if pricey, but it's hard to support a franchise when you've already bought every game that you can without being redundant. So I'm not so sure about this 'billion chances' thing. I think making an effort requires, well, actual effort.

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    15. @Other Guy January 14, 2016 at 12:29 AM

      There's really no point. When he started making arguments such as "I'm right because I said so" I realized there's no point in even responding to him. He won't accept facts and makes up his own so long as it suits his argument.

      If he's not a troll, he might as well be.

      This is an issue with having anonymous comments allowed on this site. It's kind of hypocritical for me to say that since I held my entire side of the conversation with an anonymous tag as well, but things like this are why I think that should be changed.

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    16. "As different as it was to the source material, the RS cartoon actually got really good ratings. So just wanted to point that out."

      Don't care, put down the pipe. I'd be more pissed if they made an IDK super popular Sponge-Bob (just an example, calm down) style MM cartoon than not making one at all.

      "Kinda hard to sell merch if everyone's been waiting for a proper game rather than merch. And it's kinda hard to sell games when there aren't any new games."

      It is about the same difficulty as trying to sell an uncompetitive and unsustainable brand, I agree.

      "Also, you put 3 twice."

      Because III is the best number. SFIII, MM3, MMZ3, DmC3 MML- well MML sales like crap, but if the third had come out, it would have been the best one easy.

      "Mighty silly of you to assume that."

      I don't follow..., assume what that there was a poll or wasn't??? Nah I think if someone's gonna say people in large groups requested characters but one is more consistent than others, you'd have to have some way of measuring that, and I find it hard to believe Sakurai did so in his internal mind, with no other aid. No way he followed MM and he was consistently the SECOND most popular, how would Sakurai even know that? What he just, ZAPP *OOOHP (two fingers to lobe) Mega Man is Second on random request mediums sorry Cloud, Sora, Crash, Pac-Man,etc etc... and possible Goku if I ever decide to make a Smash4 and allow manga characters, you guy's lost again to Sonic and Mega Man, they are just too much. Simon Belmont fans: What about us? Sakurai: STFU.

      "Being perfectly honest, I think the real question here is how you can think that Mega Man would play like Zero."

      Why do you need to think? Muster the courage and just bring up the question, I'll be happy to answer. Oh right, I keep killing the questions with sound logic. Answer: They Jump, they uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmm............... Shoot (the same way), they acquire abilities to enhance their move set. Only difference is Zero's move-set is ridiculously adapt for fighters, even gimped he still breaks the game. Basically MM Got: Spark Shot, Zero Got: ZAPPING LIGHTENING OF DEATH. MM Got: Flame Sword, Zero Got: LIGHT SABER THAT SENDS PLASMA OF DEATH THAT CUT'S YOU LIKE PIZZA. MM has a ground and air dash but Zero dashes are so superior, why would you even??? I guess if you really wanted them to make MM some zoning monster that'd be- oh wait Zero's a zoning monster! *Shrugs shoulders in disgust* you can't win, Zero is literally MM+, even in MM lore, If you hate the way he looks slap them MMX costumes on em.

      "You say silly things, like there are Pokemon fans who wouldn't have gotten Smash if it didn't have the 5 (excluding Mewtwo) Pokemon"

      Wanna here something silly? Your implication that every single Pokemon fan got Smash, lmao! Combined sales of SSBWU&3DS 11.4 million units, Pokémon X and Y 14.15. I've never wanted to offer a seat to someone this much before in my LIFE. OK maybe most PM fans may not neglect SSB because of missing Pokemon, but you are out of your mind to not think if Smash advertised and offered more of peoples favorites it wouldn't raise their interests or sales. As for PM vs MM it is not about a different pool it's about a pool vs an ocean, go catch'em (see what I did there) in the ocean, cause fish don't swim in the pool.








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    17. Sorry for the typos and grammer errors in advance I speed wrote the solid ideas, but didn't proofread them. I'm on a nook anyway so Meh, MEH to you all.

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    18. @Anonymous January 14, 2016 at 8:24 AM: Would it be better if I said "your wrong because I said your wrong"......... "based on your baseless and speculative information"?

      Stop acting like you are not the "Other Guy", and please take a seat, the only thing you have left to discuss is you clinging desperately to the idea that you can make ME (not my arguments, because you poorly address those) look delusional and beyond reason. Just a heads up, the whole "I'm right because I said so" shtick your trying to pull, was a way of letting you know that that is exactly what you are doing, you have no solid grounds or evidence to go by in most cases, you are just making assumptions, only difference is if we unveiled what's behind the curtain, Capcom would say *yeah, pretty much the people making MM really wanted to make them, eh but they are all gone now making clones of it, truth be told that franchise isn't all that sustainable for a gigantic company like ours, here's a novelty Chun-li pen, I mean she kinda looks like MM....sorry*

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    19. @Other Guy: Let me show you something http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/jan/14/chandelure-confirmed-pokken-tournament

      CONTEXT:That site is a fighting game website, it is generally known for the editors bias for Street Fighter IV/V, MKX, and most importantly Nintendo games and Pokemon. I mean if there is a hint of Pokemon related fighting game news, you can be sure they'll cover it, while conversely usually neglecting to cover other fighters, Like Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Older less popular game's that time to time have big news, smaller anime style series that spawn from the acclaimed GGX series/GG franchise (this is contrary to another fighting game website that set the standards for all fighting game coverage). The site functions like this, you post a comment, people can vote up or down, up is good and down is bad, comments get highlighted green or hidden if they get enough votes in either direction. Normally that site doesn't go ham with voting, so it doesn't generally contain a lot of green and hidden comments unless the topic is really delicate or causes a bunch of people to get easily offended.

      That said look at the reaction for Chandelure. Look at just the smallest most insignificant just, harmless comments that can be the tiniest bit construed as the tiniest bit of negative (from some people who are fans of PM btw, but just not a certain aesthetic within it), then look at every Pokemon fans fanboying and green voting the heck out of everyone else defending it, then just look at the general acceptance of the series. This is not usual, usually that site runs a muck displaying all sorts of opinions, positive or negative, without mass voting consequences. Even if you disagree with them not understanding Pokemon that are based on artificial inanimate objects, is it really something to get upset over to that degree? This is all for chandelure too, imagine an actual iconic Pokemon to actually get upset over.

      You telling me companies couldn't continuously market peoples favorite Pokemon in order to garner more interest and raise sales? Get real.

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    20. @AnonymousJanuary 15, 2016 at 4:31 AM

      So now I'm "Other Guy?" I did not post as that user, if I did I still would be. I would think the differences in our writing style would be enough of a hint at that, but apparently not.

      You don't need my help to make you look delusional and beyond reason when you're spouting off things like that. You haven't adequately disproved anything I've said. When I present you with facts such as Sakurai's claims, you dismiss them saying that they can't possibly be right. You are ignoring facts.

      You said yourself that your points are based on baseless and speculative information as well, but the difference is you're right, then proceed to talk without any real evidence. The only thing you've done is cite Capcom's actions, but the thing is, companies mishandle their franchises all the time. You said yourself you can't explain why Mega Man has carried on...

      "I don't get it either, some creators must LOVE Mega Man to death to keep giving it all these opportunities..."

      Yet if I were to do exactly what you're doing to prove your "points" and suggest that the reason Mega Man related products kept getting made, you would dismiss it as baseless, speculative and wrong. Despite the fact that in those instances, Capcom's actions speak against your claims.

      And Capcom's actions are what you are basing every "point" you've tried to make on. But here's the thing, Capcom makes mistakes. A lot of companies mishandle their properties. It happens. Not putting out more Mega Man games could in fact be one of those mistakes. It would have been a mistake for them not to release Street Fighter 4, which they were full against with the exception of Ono.

      Your arguments are as baseless and speculative as any of mine, and you don't even have the instances of evidence I do with things like Sakurai's claims.

      I could go on about how you stepped over yourself, for example when you say "I never said you said anything negative about Zero or Tron" when you implied just prior to that comment that I was treating their inclusion like "junk toss away characters," to use your own words, but I know I'm wasting my time.

      I'm ending this "conversation" because I know you're not actively trying to have one. Your posts are being called out by others as trolling now because of how lost in your own mindset that you can't be wrong because you said so, while failing to look at facts and your own hypocrisy.

      Think it's time for you to step away from the keyboard.

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      "Stop acting like you are not the "Other Guy", and please take a seat, the only thing you have left to discuss is you clinging desperately to the idea that you can make ME (not my arguments, because you poorly address those) look delusional and beyond reason." Now that's some silly stuff right there. I am legit laughing right now. You really can't tell the difference? I mean, I'll forgive that you wouldn't be able to tell us apart so easily if I had just posted as anon like you two, but that was the point of the name. I don't need to rely on fooling you to make my point. Lol. Thanks, I needed that.
      As for your actual arguments:

      ""As different as it was to the source material, the RS cartoon actually got really good ratings. So just wanted to point that out."

      Don't care, put down the pipe. I'd be more pissed if they made an IDK super popular Sponge-Bob (just an example, calm down) style MM cartoon than not making one at all."

      You're missing the point. The point is that even a rather odd cartoon is a pretty safe endeavor from Capcom's perspective. I'll assume that you know that higher ratings means that commercial spots during the show are more expensive, thus earning the show more money.

      "Because III is the best number." I'll grant you that one. :)

      "I don't follow..., assume what that there was a poll or wasn't??? Nah I think if someone's gonna say people in large groups requested characters but one is more consistent than others, you'd have to have some way of measuring that, and I find it hard to believe Sakurai did so in his internal mind, with no other aid. " I can agree for the most part, but you made the implication that you were assuming that Sakurai was using really outdated data relative to Mega Man's popularity. I brought up as a counterpoint that Sakurai is pretty unafraid to change his stance on things if he has a reason to (again, see the whole DLC discussion, as well as Corrin's inclusion as one of the final DLC). Ergo, if at the time of Sm4sh's start of development Mega Man was no longer popular enough to hold the second place after Sonic, I don't think that he would have chosen to put him in over Ryu (for launch).

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      "Answer: They Jump, they uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmm............... Shoot (the same way), they acquire abilities to enhance their move set."
      That's awfully general, don't you think? The same could be said for quite a few characters in multiple franchises. If it was a level of difference between, say, Pit and Dark Pit in Smash, then I'd agree. But considering that one's MO is his Saber and how he uses it (his buster isn't used much at all), versus a buster-heavy arsenal with a few assisting robots, I'm going to have to disagree.

      "Basically MM Got: Spark Shot, Zero Got: ZAPPING LIGHTENING OF DEATH. MM Got: Flame Sword, Zero Got: LIGHT SABER THAT SENDS PLASMA OF DEATH THAT CUT'S YOU LIKE PIZZA. MM has a ground and air dash but Zero dashes are so superior, why would you even??? I guess if you really wanted them to make MM some zoning monster that'd be- oh wait Zero's a zoning monster! *Shrugs shoulders in disgust* you can't win, Zero is literally MM+, even in MM lore."

      Are we still speaking exclusively about UMvC3? It sounds like you're mixing and matching between two rather different games. Rock still has a ton of abilities to choose from, and even X, who is not as well versed in the Saber or Command Arts (again, the majority of Zero's moveset), would play rather differently. I'm not knocking Zero, I just think that of the series's reps, the titular character could've been a good choice. And lore means not a lot in a fighting game; else in a Phoenix vs Phoenix Wright match one Phoenix would be consuming stars and the other wouldn't be able to do damage.

      "Wanna here something silly? Your implication that every single Pokemon fan got Smash, lmao!" Haha, that would be silly if that's what I said. Allow me to rephrase it in a way you will understand better: Of the Pokemon fans who didn't get Smash, very few if any would have likely been swayed by another one added. If they were going to get Smash for Pokemon exclusively, then they were still probably pretty satisfied with what they got. Do you remember the hype when Greninja was announced for Smash? If they had added favorites like Blaziken or Sceptile as playable characters, would there have been more sales? Maybe, but I highly doubt that there are many for whom this would be a deciding factor when Pokemon already has multiple fairly diverse reps.

      I took a look at the site you posted, and as you said, there was a lot of hype for Chandelure. However, not even once did I see anyone suggesting that this is what swayed them to buy the game. One post I remember said (and I'm paraphrasing), "It has Blaziken so I'm already set. This looks cool though." Another said that there still wasn't anything on the Wii U worth buying at the moment (implying this game wasn't on their shopping list). So the evidence actually agrees with me on this one; most agree that Chandelure is a cool choice, but it's not having a significant impact on people's decisions to buy the game. Going back to your ocean metaphor, it's like most of the sea has been tapped out already. You don't need to catch the same fish twice.

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    23. P3
      That's why Mega Man was a better choice over another Pokemon for Smash at launch; the Pokemon reps already hit the high notes (sans Mewtwo at the time). Yet at a time before they had decided on DLC, they chose to put in Mega Man over Ryu or Mewtwo. So with the extra exposure, why didn't Capcom take advantage of it? If there was a time to 'take a chance', it was then. If you love a franchise, you don't pass up the best possible opportunity to take it from a low point to a high point. Even if they tried and screwed up, at least we would have acknowledged that they tried. And it's true that Pokemon currently has a lot more fans than Mega Man; I won't deny that. But that's just it; Capcom had an obvious opportunity to bring in some of those Pokemon fans through Smash, and they didn't do anything with it. That's what bothers me.

      The anon above me might be quitting, but I'm not. If you want to keep going, I'm game.

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    24. @Anon9:08: "So now I'm "Other Guy?"

      I don't know, but acting like you're not more so is not helping your case. Just be cool about it like the other guy, did he complain about the implication? No, he just went on and addressed the arguments he disagreed with relating to the main topic (it is called avoiding ad hominems). Unless you two are the same and he just handled it as an anon and was content. But I'm not finding the latter likely. It really doesn't matter either way TBH.

      I will say now though that you seem much more emotional and lacking in intellect for you to keep up the duel-ego. Despite your efforts I'm seeing that you're not the other guy because he is just better and more intelligent, sorry not trying o be a prick (I know I've trolled with the chair and attitude, but I'm serious about your debating skills). If the other guy is in fact you, just assess and handle arguments like that from here on.

      "when you're spouting off things like that."

      Spouting off stuff like what?

      "You haven't adequately disproved anything I've said"

      Ooooh yes I have. Like the thing about Sakurai and how it doesn't make sense that he could measure a character's consistent placing in popularity among large groups across many sectors and mediums on his own internally, with logic and reason.

      "Despite the fact that in those instances, Capcom's actions speak against your claims."

      I disagree, I think it is the reverse, and my arguments for this whole thing, with base, speculative and right information was to support that point.

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    25. Part2:@Anon:9:08

      "with the exception of Ono."

      So Ono has never said time and time again that he had a lot of support from his superior Keiji Inafune? Or that it was in fact the popularity and well reception of the added SF costumes in Onimusha:DoD that helped warm others up to the idea of another SF game, and that the reception of SFIICE helped with warming people at the company toward making a licensing a sequel? That it was in fact Inafune who convinced Capcom heads to green-light the project on behalf of Ono, with Ono having since been grateful to Inafune for believing in him from the start. Buuut every one at Capcom was against it "with the exception of Ono."

      "I could go on about how you stepped over yourself, for example when you say "I never said you said anything negative about Zero or Tron" when you implied just prior to that comment that I was treating their inclusion like "junk toss away characters,""

      You are wrong on both accounts. Here is a hypothetical analogy (I'm sure you'll find something to nitpick about it even thought it is as straight forward as it could possibly be), if you have a 3DS, right, and you leave it on the ground at a local venues or the steps in your house often, is that you saying I hate 3DS and it sucks or whatever? Or could it possible be that you are just reckless and forgetful with it? Now if your friend told you hey man I know you love your 3DS but stop treating it like something to be tossed away, would you then reply I never said anything negative about my 3DS, stop putting words in my mouth blah blah. Or would you say eh I need to stop forgetting it on the steps? Just replace 3DS and Steps with Zero/Tron and your parts of your arguments (and the lack of acknowledgment for them as notable MM characters), you know assuming you like those characters.

      B. "BTW treating Zero and Tron as junk toss away characters from the MM franchise is a little bitter"

      This is my quote exactly, show me anywhere where I specify anyone, (I mean I was referring to you of course but still). At best it was an implication (I know you don't know the definition of this word but look it up) derived to counter your arguments, as in people sharing your argument's point of view, not necessarily an individual person.

      Please sit down, you are just not a good enough debater to hang at this level, just let Other Guy handle the rest, he is infinitely less emotional and more logical. Just..... just take a seat please.

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    26. @Other Guy 12:44

      ". I don't need to rely on fooling you to make my point. Lol. Thanks, I needed that.
      As for your actual arguments:"

      You have an odd sense of humor, I can dig it but I agree. Exactly, who cares, moving onto the the meat&potatoes. In fact you didn't even need to let me in on your bust out laughing comedy session, although I'm glad to have brightened your day.

      "You're missing the point."

      Nah you are, what I'm saying is if you have to change MM to such an extent for it to be a success (not that I'm agreeing RSMM was a massive one btw) is it really MM anymore? That is my point, however I will concede that RSMM was not sooo bad (on it's own as a one time spinoff) but if Capcom ever had to re-imaging any cartoon veering anymore (or even as much) away from the source material than RSMM. NOPE! But take success where you can am I right?

      "but you made the implication that you were assuming that Sakurai was using really outdated data relative to Mega Man's popularity"

      Yeah but not for my main argument, I was just trying to understand wth the other anon was was referring to since it didn't and still doesn't make any sense. Buuuut, I disagree with you as well, I actually think that Sakurai's eccentricity made MM happen, that seems more reasonable. I mean you're not wrong in your thinking and it is very likely possible that in this example Sakurai may have looked at something recent and said hey MM is number 1, let me take advantage of that. I just find that it is less likely than not that that was the case. Still though, at least I understand stance and it is logical.

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    27. Part2@Other Guy 12:44

      "That's awfully general, don't you think?"

      Well, that's what they do.

      "But considering that one's MO is his Saber and how he uses it (his buster isn't used much at all), versus a buster-heavy arsenal with a few assisting robots, I'm going to have to disagree."

      Agree to disagree then, X3 Zero buster only would break any traditional MM game (at least it should unless full charge is like one damage which would be BS) in terms of projectiles, let's see, Fang Fish, Tri Thunder, Fire Wave, Rakuhouha, Yammar Option, Hyoroga, Rekkoha, Zankourin, Hieijin, Souenbu, Hadangeki (straight up beastly UMvC3 projectile). Yeah I think that should cover his projectile game, not to even mention his straight beastly arsenal of movement and close/far attack options. Fun fact, Zero has appearing in more main X games using a buster than any other weapon, soooo.... X1, X3, X2, X5, X6 with buster, X4, X7, X8 without, and the character generally has appeared with a gun in more games than any other kind of weapon.

      "lore means not a lot in a fighting
      game"

      Yeah but that wasn't part of my main argument, just an insult to injury. As for who should rep, I do think personally Zero should rep the series (just my opinion, and I have reasoning to back it, but that is just another topic), however it is not a case of that, you have to go back t TvC where there was a Blue Bomber and Zero. You see, Zero already had a foundation and the developers expanded on that, their reasoning was they already put Zero in a fighting game and they feel he does everything MM does but better and more uniquely, he just fits a fighting game more. If they had put for example X instead, they would have had to completely abandon the design philosophy they established with Zero to create a more one dimensional version of Zero and btw add a style many other characters already have. Why would the devs abandon what works before anyone ever requested what the devs thought wouldn't as well as the other. As for UMvC3, in that case I personally think it was meant to be a DLC update, and most of those characters were already almost finished during MvC3's life on the market, thing is they sold it as another game because of the tsunami disaster, hence why MMX could only be a costume and not a fully developed character that they added due to fan requests, because it would require an entire rebalanced, animations etc etc. But instead of appreciating that homage, people just moan about how insulting it was.

      "Haha, that would be silly if that's what I said."

      You mean "if that's what I meant." Does none know the definition of imply and its variants? Anyway let me let you know how I came to that conclusion.


      "like there are Pokemon fans who wouldn't have gotten Smash if it didn't have the 5(etc)"

      This is your quote, it is all encompassing, it talks about all Pokemon fans instead of a more refined specification, or a more loosely associated generality. In essence it falls in the middle, A. If you had said people instead of PM fans, logic would dictate that you meant any one interested and could be advertised to. B. If you had said out of the Pokemon fans interested in Smash already another PM added wouldn't have pushed them over the edge, you would have thus made your point clear (but that's pretty duh in a general sense cause they are already interested). In your quote you make it sound as if every single Pokemon fan seen the game and just.... got the game. That is literally your quote.

      Anyway you made your point clear now, so no point in hanging that over you, just letting you know that was the logic being me saying you implied all Pokemon fans got Smash.

      "Allow me to rephrase it in a way you will understand better"

      Thank you for that.

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    28. Part3@Other Guy 12:44

      "Of the Pokemon fans who didn't get Smash, very few if any would have likely been swayed by another one added."

      ................(sigh I'm gonna have to explain some basic stuff, this is a drag). I disagree (also how would you know? But nevermind that) You know what your problem is here, you're looking at the situation from the top down, rather than the ground up. Ok Smash puts Pikachu in the game, a Pikachu fan notices and makes a thread on some Pokemon web site, goes on about how Pikachu was so well implemented, others on that site who love Pikachu go to the thread and say *really that sounds neat, fits my style and is exactly how I'd imagine Pika playing like* that is free advertisement for Pikachu but not Smash generally or Pokemon generally, since Pokemon is so huge, you'll have different sections talking about different things based on thier position within the fandom and having different interests. That's one.

      Two, What you are saying is like saying *like there are MM fans who would get a game if they didn't add another MM character* Well yes there is, a crap tone of them, in fact some will go as far as to boycott an entire company because of it.


      "Blaziken or Sceptile as playable characters, would there have been more sales?"

      I think so yeah, not only that but it maybe would have built a legacy Nintendo could rely on in the future. I mean Pokemon Pokeball dedicated item sub mechanic, 7 or more cast members dominating the rest, simple gameplay that can be played at all levels, whaaaaaaat? *Maybe next game we'll get even more things, Sakurai loves us, let's support him with love* (some touching may be involved viewer discretion is advised). Meanwhile Sakurai rubs hands maniacally (touching most definitely involved, the rest is not advised for anyone).

      "However, not even once did I see anyone suggesting that this is what swayed them to buy the game."

      Well of course not, that is a very specific peculiar thing to say out of the like 60 comments posted (at the time), but I'll tell you this much, the person like *CHANDELIERS WHAAAAAT HYPE!* is gonna post on forums and attract other people loving the hell out of chandeliers (not even chandelure fans, just chandelier fans in general lol)

      "Going back to your ocean metaphor, it's like most of the sea has been tapped out already. You don't need to catch the same fish twice."

      WoW that's really astute, I am legit shocked, good stuff. Even if I disagree, mostly due to sales comparisons. With all the different pools of players they are pulling from Smash's sales should have been close to Pokemon X/Y or at least passed the sales of previous Smash entries, being a quality update on two platforms and all.

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    29. @Other Guy12:44

      "Yet at a time before they had decided on DLC, they chose to put in Mega Man over Ryu or Mewtwo."

      Come on man, you can't be that gullible, they decided on DLC, how it should be done, what it should be, and when long before the games' release, I mean I have no "proof" but come on... Ok granted that wasn't the case, I think it is better to save some popular things for DLC anyway. It makes sense, I mean it isn't like the game didn't launch with other popular characters and Pokemon so....

      "So with the extra exposure, why didn't Capcom take advantage of it?"

      .........They did....... I mean they essentially did what I described above, let Nintendo use Mega Man, then took the advantage of promoting SF with Ryu at a I'm guessing more optimal time. Say what you want about Smash but their marketing and timing is on point. Also they are trying to rebrand (even if there are no solid proofs of this) MM so there is that.

      "Capcom had an obvious opportunity to bring in some of those Pokemon fans through Smash, and they didn't do anything with it"

      What what makes you think that? In my personal experience a lot of Nintendo fans hate Mega Man's guts for hogging a slot in Smash, many hate his guts in general. For as many people raving about MM's inclusion, there were probably two more in place that had "I can't understand why anyone cares for this dumb character" "Mega Man meh I wanted (insert character)" or straight up "I hate this character, Nintendo why?", people just like to focus on the positive ones. At least that is how I saw it.

      "The anon above me might be quitting, but I'm not. If you want to keep going, I'm game."

      Why would give you that idea unless you were the other guy HMMMMMMM? (LOL)

      Anyway, yeah cool I prefer discussing with you anyhow.

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    30. I actually think I'll make one more comment here, but I'll direct it more at Rockman Corner than anything.

      This Anonymous is the biggest idiot I've ever seen in the comment section on this site. Some of the things he has said has done nothing be show me that this site needs better comment moderators

      He says to just ignore the fact that he's making claims without any evidence, such as calling me "Other Guy" without proof, goes off on inane tangents, then tries to make others out like they are the ones who are unintelligent.

      He even admits to trolling at points yet his comments are still allowed to come through.

      It's your site, you're free to do what you want with it. But if you're trying to foster a positive place for actual discussion, you need to change something.

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  5. I can't wait until Mega Man content comes to Mega Man. :(

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    1. This one got me for some reason.

      Thanks for the laugh.

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