tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post3313284100253619311..comments2024-03-28T16:56:18.261-05:00Comments on Rockman Corner: See the Original Mega Man Cartoon Pitch, Digitally RestoredProtodudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08650204880792333537noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-47875992421888002602020-04-22T15:14:14.004-05:002020-04-22T15:14:14.004-05:00weird that outside of rockman onlines trailer this...weird that outside of rockman onlines trailer this is the only time we see yellow devil in animation.(not even in wish upon a star which was basically a pilot for this.really want this style to come back as it was just better than the ruby spears cartoon even though i still like it.:3)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04693689947420321666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-33198447138499299422020-03-15T21:19:40.213-05:002020-03-15T21:19:40.213-05:00i hope at some point with megamans revival now tha...i hope at some point with megamans revival now that capcom brings this style back for a new megaman anime(along with some of capcom's other series as well.:3)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04693689947420321666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-78761783449906898702018-03-24T18:58:34.100-05:002018-03-24T18:58:34.100-05:00I love Ruby Spears' MegaMan drawing, I saw it ...I love Ruby Spears' MegaMan drawing, I saw it first, before knowing the game, it has its faults, but I knew it and I liked it, it's sad to see that many hate it, but there is still a lot of future for the original Megaman, in change the RS and I finish, it was canceled and that version never existed, that breaks my heart.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-78121635771943328742017-10-03T20:02:27.073-05:002017-10-03T20:02:27.073-05:00The latter, sadly and fortunately. The latter, sadly and fortunately. Disco Spinachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04556729993559863406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-6482676012227010602015-11-09T13:10:32.837-06:002015-11-09T13:10:32.837-06:00Who was in the focus group that turned this down?!...Who was in the focus group that turned this down?! I want their names! lolFartoGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690961035088233820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-43801303449322592152015-11-06T20:40:09.742-06:002015-11-06T20:40:09.742-06:00I do like the RS series, mostly for its potential....I do like the RS series, mostly for its potential. It's not the greatest thing ever but I wish a certain comic author would stop making digs on it like it makes him witty or particularly observant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-58347937725074845442015-11-05T09:30:43.974-06:002015-11-05T09:30:43.974-06:00You are welcome.
Regardless of what's been sa...You are welcome.<br /><br />Regardless of what's been said here: I think changing a work of art due to cultural pretense is a mistake, and that people should be able to experience things as the artist(s) intended. I understand that people are generally more accepting and aware of other cultures post-internet, but I think that also suggests that things like focus groups were just delaying that acceptance and understanding in the name of allegedly greater profits. How many seasons would we have of this show if it has been preserved in its originally-pitched form? There's no way to know, but I personally would have enjoyed it more, and would have made more of a point to watch it; while it aired I was not impressed enough to make a habit of catching it, and only saw the occasional episode; only after the DVD release did I see them all.<br /><br />Sure, it's great that we got anything Mega-Man-related on TV in the 90's -- what we got was better than nothing, certainly -- but knowing that this tape exists proves to me that they had an opportunity to do a better job and dropped the ball, just like with Westernization of box art; it's a missed opportunity to experience something from a different culture and aesthetic viewpoint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-52266158357898186212015-11-05T06:07:00.699-06:002015-11-05T06:07:00.699-06:00:)
Beautiful job encoding this - glad it's fi...:)<br /><br />Beautiful job encoding this - glad it's finally out there in it's complete form and in good hands. Minty Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08535380810151092385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-61276150462426326962015-11-04T22:58:48.546-06:002015-11-04T22:58:48.546-06:00I enjoyed the ruby spears cartoon alot. Had it bee...I enjoyed the ruby spears cartoon alot. Had it been like this I would have still liked it actually I think if it was more faithful to the games like this OMG I would of loved it so much!!!! But would they have adopted a more loyal to the game plot I mean there will always be differences but still or would we of got the same stories with just awesome cartoon game style animation?MegaZX30https://www.blogger.com/profile/15699723908198838145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-9985474147896157632015-11-04T17:36:24.698-06:002015-11-04T17:36:24.698-06:00I would like to thank Anon 3 for pointing out the ...I would like to thank Anon 3 for pointing out the whole western box art thing. You would think just translating the text/log and company names/ ESRB would be good enough but nope. They have to change the entire thing and generally make it worse.<br /><br />I would also like to say that we were supposedly going to get The Wily Wars as a VC release, but you can blame SEGA for that one. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-12179246501810014942015-11-03T21:29:48.470-06:002015-11-03T21:29:48.470-06:00@4:45 PM: No, RS MM grew out of a interest for Meg...@4:45 PM: No, RS MM grew out of a interest for Mega Man's core concepts and an appeal to a different group of people. RS didn't take what Mega Man was and alter it, they took what Rockman was and created something else out of it, that was inspired by it.<br /><br />I would also put money that if the original pitch was pitched just two years or one even later, it would have gotten a better reception, because the developers would have had a better understanding of what the market to cater to in the west looked like without need of focus groups to begin with, or at least a more focused sampling search. Also the Mega Man cartoon was one of the earliest video game based cartoons to actually be successful in terms of ratings, granted the competition wasn't really all that impressive, but still... I'm not saying that is a good thing or bad, just saying it partially succeeded in what it tried to accomplish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-65115260007348036442015-11-03T19:43:51.674-06:002015-11-03T19:43:51.674-06:00Very nice, quite the gem! Thanks for sharing!
I l...Very nice, quite the gem! Thanks for sharing! <br />I like how the clip of Dr Wily in this promo (@ the :16 sec mark) was re-used later for the RockMan 7 commercial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-44895396445607465232015-11-03T18:48:36.398-06:002015-11-03T18:48:36.398-06:00It's great to see this in high quality. I rem...It's great to see this in high quality. I remember seeing the low-rez images on Mandi's MMHP back in the day and it blew my mind that a more game-based cartoon would have been possible. Although, considering what we got with the OVAs, I don't think it would have been better than what we wound up getting ... just different. And maybe not all that different, the talent behind the cartoons would have been the same. <br /><br />Seeing some of the above posts kinda knocks me for a loop. Countries usually change up a licensed property to sell better .... and this was especially true of the pre-internet era. It's not good or bad, it's just kinda what happens. Gauntlet101010http://themechanicalmaniacs.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-3814603832235247062015-11-03T16:45:20.380-06:002015-11-03T16:45:20.380-06:00"SJW's gotta ruin and crap on everything...."SJW's gotta ruin and crap on everything. Why can't there just be love for Mega MAN."<br /><br />Ruby Spears basically grew out of a lack of love and appreciation for Mega Man, 'cause Mega Man was (and should be) what this pitch shows, but it became something else.<br /><br />Also: are there people who actually don't want to live in a just society?<br />This board is ridiculous. Almost as bad as GameFAQs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-39314077058126625832015-11-02T23:04:00.440-06:002015-11-02T23:04:00.440-06:00Wow I never knew that, it makes one wonder what wo...Wow I never knew that, it makes one wonder what would RS do if that style was proven popular at the time. Unless the pitch was entirely done by Ashi Productions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-39699335549082944902015-11-02T22:59:04.117-06:002015-11-02T22:59:04.117-06:00Sorry for any *grammatical errors*, I was on a mob...Sorry for any *grammatical errors*, I was on a mobile device and had no patience to proof read all the text. So if minor spelling errors and errors in punctuation cause you to completely lack understanding of the basic points I tried to convey, I don't really know what to say about that or your reading comprehension skills. Feel free to attack the I'm sure of small grammatical errors though, as long as you understand the underlining statement and intent, I'll proceed to shrug it off. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-57830216477801141742015-11-02T22:42:57.004-06:002015-11-02T22:42:57.004-06:00It was not. It was Ashi ProductionsIt was not. It was Ashi ProductionsProtodudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08650204880792333537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-71149647203873344082015-11-02T22:07:20.585-06:002015-11-02T22:07:20.585-06:00Was the animation for the trailer by Ruby Spears o...Was the animation for the trailer by Ruby Spears or clips from an anime? Because if that was by Ruby Spears, HOLY SHIT, that looked amazing! That looked better than the animation om Super Rockman Adventure on the ps1!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-62415596513688360112015-11-02T20:54:24.145-06:002015-11-02T20:54:24.145-06:004."And, yes, making a statement about potenti...4."And, yes, making a statement about potential past outcomes is pretentious."<br /><br />No it isn't, not if there is and was a trend to validate the assumption.<br /><br />"pretentious -- characterized by pretension: making usually unjustified or excessive claims."<br /><br />Which doesn't incite any indication to the falsehood of those claims. So the justification and excess of those claims are entirely subjective. I must say, I was not familiar with that particular definition, I still think you are misusing it either way.<br /><br />"Saying that "things would have been more/less successful if X" is impossible to justify, and therefore pretentious."<br /><br />OK I didn't know which argument you applied pretentious to, it was used without context. Now that I know you were referring to the statements I made about Dragon Ball Z popularizing action anime or whatever (which it did, it is a provable fact, at least in relation to any other that came before it) with some nebulous definition of pretentious, I recant the obvious to any sensible person hyperbolic "if not for..." section of the reply, and replace the rest of that sentence with it definitely popularized action anime'. I originally assumed you were referring to RS testing on focus groups. You can have that minor nitpick.<br /><br />"calling my clear arguments "contentious rhetoric" (and earlier "progressive malarky") seems a lot like argument ad hominem to me"<br /><br />I don't care what it seems like to you (I don't know how it could be seem that way within its context) it's not. By your very own admission I described arguments using what I believe to be appropriate words to convey my description of said arguments. That doesn't indicate an attack on person or character, or feelings, that's a direct attack on a statement or argument/argument's construction.<br /><br />"that's usually a tactic used by someone with a weak argument or diminished ability to argue"<br /><br />Same about this strawman paragraph I'm sitting here picking at and addressing.<br /><br />"as it's essentially name-calling."<br /><br />Well of course it is, I'm calling your arguments and debates names. <br /><br />"I do appreciate you progressing into coherent language usage (capitalization, punctuation, grammar, etc.), and that evolution itself demonstrates that "progress" ain't such a bad thing."<br /><br />WTF are you talking about? Talk about prattling, holy hell. I'm not even gonna give this a meaningful response.<br /><br />"Hey, at least we agree that there are obvious differences in marketing,"<br /><br />Well I know for sure I do. <br /><br />"but I think the motivations behind those differences are culturally toxic and based on bigotry and assumptions which basically keep us all a lot less culturally aware than we could otherwise be."<br /><br />Except in this specific instance it was tested and had some grounds in marketable strategy.<br /><br />"I'd rather experience art as the artist created it, and not through ignorant focus groups, or according to assumptions about what people in my specific demographic will and will not like." <br /><br />You do that, others will try to, you know, flourish as a business when it comes to this issue. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-58329813031216860682015-11-02T20:53:47.914-06:002015-11-02T20:53:47.914-06:00"Are you going to argue that Ruby Spears and ..."Are you going to argue that Ruby Spears and their focus group did not change Mega Man to reflect American archetypes and values because they thought they served their purposes in a superior way?"<br /><br />Yes, and I'd counter argue that they changed there original interpretation of Mega Man to reflect the tastes of focus groups in America to appeal more to North Americans, not to make a quality comparison/criticism between Japan and American tastes, or to say one is superior in any way, outside of the market appeal of either in relation to their market. In more basic terms, if RS made the cartoon for Japanese audiences they most likely would have appealed to their tastes based on their focus groups (you know what I mean, I know they wouldn't need to test since they would have a better understanding of that market in relation to that product).<br /><br />3."Yes, the pitch did not appeal to the focus group; do you really think it's tenable to argue that such a decision had nothing to do with cultural bias, or resulted from the viewing of another culture's artistic output though the (myopic) lens of one's own culture? You're saying that giving Mega Man muscles and making him a sarcastic teenager had nothing to do with cultural bias?"<br /><br />No to your first question, I do not think that would be a logical argument, as I do believe that it was changed to accommodate cultural bias, like I said before I just don't think the general biases of a culture is indicative of ethnocentrism in and of itself. I don't even know how to answer the second part of that same question string. Secondly I'm not gonna be presumptuous in understanding the focus group's range of worldliness, intent, or general opinion of outside culture, I don't have enough personal insight on the situation. All I can say for sure is they expressed their opinion on a specific product, I am not gonna ascribe the idea of them basing their opinion on the comparative aspects of another culture's preferences. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-85957085427199398842015-11-02T20:53:10.363-06:002015-11-02T20:53:10.363-06:00Sigh... oh boy---
1. "Ethnocentric does not ...Sigh... oh boy---<br /><br />1. "Ethnocentric does not necessarily entail superiority; it's viewing/judging another culture based upon one's own cultural values, and value judgments can be positive or negative. The initial definition I provided does not include the term "superiority." It was specifically: "evaluating other peoples and cultures according to the standards of one's own culture"<br /><br />I addressed both definitions with my reply. I am saying an aesthetic bias from a focus group doesn't mean they are comparing themselves to another culture, it only directly indicates a comparison of tastes as in *what do they like more*. In essence if there was a strong appeal for the Japanese designs they would have been accepted regardless of culture, it is not that people look at it through a cultural bias but a personal aesthetic bias. Which is to say of course it is based on bias, as that is what opinions are grounded in. For example Asian martial arts was widely more marketable and marketed to American audiences than American martial arts for a period of time, that was because that was what appealed to them. Then in other periods other forms of combat fighting where more appealing, so they became marketed more frequently. It's nothing to do with ethnocentrism, but rather market appeal.<br /><br />2."However: changing something created by another culture because one thinks it would be more successful in another cultural setting is not only making a culturally-biased judgement, but it is -- by virtue of the fact that one is changing it to "make it better" or "more successful" -- an indication of a superiority judgement."<br /><br />OK first off I never said they weren't making a culturally bias judgment, I am saying doing that doesn't have any connection to ethnocentrism. In other words the culture isn't bias because of another culture, it is bias because it simply is based on the mass appeal of a particular time, in a particular place of a particular group's tastes. A cultural comparison doesn't need to be made by one culture to another, just a comparison of tastes, to say other wise is presumptuous. I.E a group saying 'I hate the way this looks" isn't them saying 'I hate Japanese looks or I hate the way this looks because of it's Japanese in origin'. Do focus groups represent the tastes of an entire nation or society, and should developers base a product on a small sample size? That is another argument. You are conflating bias with ethnocentrism, they are not directly connected. <br /><br />Second, changing something created by one culture because it would appeal to another more so, therefore making it more successful is not an indication of superiority to the original cultures product, it simply means a difference of culture, that's it. I.e products are marketable or fictionally superior relative to their surroundings, so noodles are the more viable market than burgers in Japan, but that doesn't say they are inherently superior to burgers outside of the tastes of Japanese people. Now if Japanese people from Japan started forcing the idea that their opinion of liking noodles more than burgers to food chains and took some sort of action to literally impeded the sales of burgers in favor of noodles from restaurants located in areas where burgers are more marketable than noodles, based purely on the fact that they think noodles taste better and that it should be the excepted norm in every culture regardless of much else, that would be an example ethnocentrism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-12862856409831447472015-11-02T20:45:14.257-06:002015-11-02T20:45:14.257-06:00SJW's gotta ruin and crap on everything. Why c...SJW's gotta ruin and crap on everything. Why can't there just be love for Mega MAN. VileMKIInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-76720116725408946922015-11-02T17:18:10.734-06:002015-11-02T17:18:10.734-06:00Speed Racer was here decades before any anime list...Speed Racer was here decades before any anime listed above :/MegaNerdXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329556701388063901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-47053706514980284702015-11-02T16:55:53.358-06:002015-11-02T16:55:53.358-06:00Ethnocentric does not necessarily entail superiori...Ethnocentric does not necessarily entail superiority; it's viewing/judging another culture based upon one's own cultural values, and value judgments can be positive or negative. The initial definition I provided does not include the term "superiority." It was specifically: "evaluating other peoples and cultures according to the standards of one's own culture"<br /><br />However: changing something created by another culture because one thinks it would be more successful in another cultural setting is not only making a culturally-biased judgement, but it is -- by virtue of the fact that one is changing it to "make it better" or "more successful" -- an indication of a superiority judgement. Are you going to argue that Ruby Spears and their focus group did not change Mega Man to reflect American archetypes and values because they thought they served their purposes in a superior way?<br /><br />Yes, the pitch did not appeal to the focus group; do you really think it's tenable to argue that such a decision had nothing to do with cultural bias, or resulted from the viewing of another culture's artistic output though the (myopic) lens of one's own culture? You're saying that giving Mega Man muscles and making him a sarcastic teenager had nothing to do with cultural bias?<br /><br />And, yes, making a statement about potential past outcomes is pretentious. From Webster: "pretentious -- characterized by pretension: making usually unjustified or excessive claims." Saying that "things would have been more/less successful if X" is impossible to justify, and therefore pretentious. Pretense is "an allegation of doubtful value," also from Webster, and I doubt you have a magic window into the past where you can see what would and would not have affected the acceptance of "action anime" by Western culture.<br /><br />For the record: calling my clear arguments "contentious rhetoric" (and earlier "progressive malarky") seems a lot like argument ad hominem to me; that's usually a tactic used by someone with a weak argument or diminished ability to argue, as it's essentially name-calling. I haven't called you any names, but -- as far as "progress" goes -- I do appreciate you progressing into coherent language usage (capitalization, punctuation, grammar, etc.), and that evolution itself demonstrates that "progress" ain't such a bad thing.<br /><br />Hey, at least we agree that there are obvious differences in marketing, but I think the motivations behind those differences are culturally toxic and based on bigotry and assumptions which basically keep us all a lot less culturally aware than we could otherwise be. I'd rather experience art as the artist created it, and not through ignorant focus groups, or according to assumptions about what people in my specific demographic will and will not like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-46161514369684273242015-11-02T16:26:34.441-06:002015-11-02T16:26:34.441-06:00Ethnocentrism implies a belief of superiority. If ...Ethnocentrism implies a belief of superiority. If you're in business, changing a product to appeal more toward a target audience isn't being racist, it's being smart.<br /><br />Let's understand that in the early and mid 90s, with the internet in its infancy, most American youth had little to no exposure to anime or Japanese culture in general. It made perfect business sense to tailor the show based on the focus group responses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com