tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post238761075462622597..comments2024-03-28T16:56:18.261-05:00Comments on Rockman Corner: 'Red Ash' Revealed: Inafune's Spiritual Mega Man Legends Successor?Protodudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08650204880792333537noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-30183596859778585282015-07-11T09:54:00.647-05:002015-07-11T09:54:00.647-05:00Supporting this shows to capcom that Legends have ...Supporting this shows to capcom that Legends have fans.<br /><br />But NO you guys keep finding defects to complain about,<br />this shows that Capcom was right about cancelling the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-58363382172428661192015-07-07T14:46:13.877-05:002015-07-07T14:46:13.877-05:00It's okay, the people who are calling Inafune ...It's okay, the people who are calling Inafune a fraud and scammer are jumping the gun and giving him a hard time. I am looking forward to MN9 and it will be good, I can guratte on that. Inafune puts his heart and soul into this game as well as Red Ash and the negative people are basing asumtions and crap.Musashi the Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08170065615342451347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-46085163275395388112015-07-05T01:14:26.445-05:002015-07-05T01:14:26.445-05:00Noooo!
I wanted Legends 3 to see the story finishe...Noooo!<br />I wanted Legends 3 to see the story finished! I don't want the gameplay without the story!<br />NO SUBSTITUTIONS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-6462281742249625252015-07-04T17:14:30.329-05:002015-07-04T17:14:30.329-05:00Damn alright there is no getting through to you yo...Damn alright there is no getting through to you you obviously aren't reading one half and misinterpreting every other thing I write. You're trying really hard to push your narrative so I'm gonna leave you to that. <br /><br />I don't need this stress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-86364503721683555382015-07-04T11:58:59.436-05:002015-07-04T11:58:59.436-05:00"THAT IS IIIIIIIIIT!!" is more childish ..."THAT IS IIIIIIIIIT!!" is more childish to me than exaggerating.<br /><br />When I said that Red Ash has nothing to do with the continuation of Legends, I meant that it has nothing to do with its continuation. That's it. It's on this site because it's still obviously based on Legends. That is all the game has going for it, from what we can see now.<br /><br />I'm also not saying, nor did I ever said, that it would surpass Legends' legacy. That series will always exist in memory and history. That still however didn't stop people from cheering enthusiastically when Inafune teased the idea of a "Mighty Number Legends", meaning that people are open to a game that is -like- Legends. And in the end, that is all this game is intended for. Capcom won't do it, so Inafune makes a similar game for people who want to play a game that is -like- Legends.<br /><br />It is a rip-off in definition, but being a "rip-off" is not necessarily a bad thing. I have played many games before that were quite similar to games before them, and in many ways actually found these so-called "rip-offs" more enjoyable. Many of those games also experimented with new ideas and became fairly successful, so they are not always exactly the same.<br /><br />In the end, Legends 3 will never happen. People need to either accept that, or accept an alternative to the series. I guess what I'm saying is, I just find this really pointless to argue and complain when Red Ash isn't going to replace Legends. If you don't like it and find it inferior, just don't play the damn game. <br /><br />You say Legends was the first to bring an open world to a 3D setting. Ocarina of Time has been in longer development, and had it not been delayed several times, could have been released sooner. So no, I'd say Zelda still did it first despite OoT being released a year later. Not that it matters,<br /><br />Anyway I'm done here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-45270011425758638472015-07-04T10:01:24.208-05:002015-07-04T10:01:24.208-05:00That "Roll" type character totally gives...That "Roll" type character totally gives me a Yatterman-2 vibe.MegaNerdXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329556701388063901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-84485845239613272522015-07-04T06:03:22.261-05:002015-07-04T06:03:22.261-05:00I hope that. I loved animated cutscenes like Rockm...I hope that. I loved animated cutscenes like Rockman X3/X4 PSX/Saturn version as well as Rockman 8. :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-48318415210787586752015-07-04T04:50:55.859-05:002015-07-04T04:50:55.859-05:00"stop shouting": I'm not, I shouted ..."stop shouting": I'm not, I shouted once jokingly for dramatic effect, other than that, if you mean all caps, I'm writing in all caps to emphasize segments (if you have a better why like highlights, tell me and I'll do that instead) , and how bout you stop misinterpreting and assigning false motives to my writing? That would make me a lot less frustrated, and before you assign some action to that or some bullcrap, yes I can be frustrated without shouting. That is why I capitalize some things but not let's say "holy got dang molly". <br /><br />"It (Red Ash) is not intended to replace Legends.": I never implied or accused it of doing that. I also never accused or implied people of saying it does that, which covers your later part here - "No one here is saying that Red Ash is going to be the be-all, end-all."- I am saying the things most Legends fans want to see continued can't be succeeded properly. That is what I have been trying to say here.<br /><br />"setting and characterization": I'm saying those two things collectively can be alternatives but cannot be succeeded properly, so they'll end up being just alternatives or in other words distractions that don't fulfill the wants craved by most fans to my knowledge. Unless of course you blatantly rip the source inspiration off to the T. And for the future I think the words you are looking for is atmosphere and aesthetic, now those I can see being succeeded properly. <br /><br />"complaining about Capcom dropping Legends": Where do I do that? Quote me verbatim.<br /><br />"Red Ash has nothing to do with the continuation of Legends.": Than why is it on this site, for it's spiritual succession of Ryuusei no Rockman and Subaru's hair, right? I'm gonna let you in on something, spiritual successor in essence means continuing something in spirit. <br /><br />"technically Zelda came first and mastered the genre years before Legends": That is irrelevant, it is still a game that plays like Legends conceptually. I never even implied that Legends came out first either or either of them mastering the genre, and for the record, now that you have brought it up, bringing open world to 3D type thing was done by Legends first, not that it even matters. <br /><br />"The difference however is that Legends has its own unique setting": So does Red Ash from the looks of it, I don't expect a lore including carbons, reploids, purifier units, kattelox or whatever (it might actually have counterparts to those things though, but it most likely won't have the expansive history). It also looks a lot more steam punk than I remember Legends being.<br /><br />"and it will likely have just as good story and characterization": I don't confirm or deny that, that is not in question here, except for when you falsely accuse me of saying that it won't have a good story. <br /><br />"You're basically being butthurt over Legends 3's cancellation and taking it out on Red Ash": Actually no, I'm playing devil's advocate (based on being accustomed to the incessant nagging of fans), I don't even like Legends like that, I'd much rather see ZX, X, Classic and heck even Battle Network (even though it "ended") continued, because of their gameplay formula, characters, musical style and settings, and would like to see them expanded and evolved. Legends is the one series I can take or leave.<br /><br />And for the last got dang time, I have nothing against Red Ash, all I'm saying is that it can't properly succeed Legends where it counts, at least to my understanding of what made Legends special to most fans described by them throughout the past 7 or so years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-26307393532992766152015-07-04T04:18:59.448-05:002015-07-04T04:18:59.448-05:00Ever since people on the internet convinced themse...Ever since people on the internet convinced themselves Mighty No. 9 is an abomination, people just can't use reason when talking about Keiji Inafune. Very peculiar.<br /><br />I doubt you'll listen, Lord Forte, but I wanted to chime in.<br /><br />First, Inafune didn't just up and abandon Legends 3, he was the one lobbying for it for years despite going on record multiple times saying he didn't like his job at Capcom. Once he had gotten it (seemingly) approved for development, got together his hand-picked team that he knew could do it right, and laid down the groundwork for the design and fan involvement, then he left, thinking it was all locked in and secure and he could finally move on to what he wanted to do, his last desire at Capcom fulfilled. <br /><br />When the unthinkable happened and the game was canned, he wasted no time in offering to come back aboard as a contractor to get it done, but Capcom wasn't having it. I'll also add that Capcom cancelled the game without releasing the finished prologue demo, which they explicitly said was going to be used to gauge interest for the game... citing a lack of interest. Legends 3 got shut down despite Inafune's plans, not because of him.<br /><br />Second, Inafune doesn't just do nothing on these games like you seem to believe. He's done a lot of work as a producer, including many successful titles at Capcom. Dead Rising and Lost Planet wouldn't have even been made without him, as he conceptualized both (to the best of my knowledge) and developed them in secret when Capcom shot the ideas down, later showing them a working proof of concept that convinced them to go ahead with development, and both games becoming huge successes.<br /><br />People give him flak for his idea to outsource to western developers for development, but people also hugely overstate the effects of his plans while simultaneously misunderstanding his place in the projects. Of the major games outsourced during his time at Capcom, there was Dark Void, Bionic Commando 09, and Dead Rising 2. The former two flopped, but the latter was a rousing success, as were its accompanying products (Case Zero, Case West, Off the Record). <br /><br />For Dark Void and Bionic Commando, Inafune was merely an executive producer (a title which means almost nothing), but for Dead Rising 2 he was actually hands-on as a producer, and when you couple this with his comments on record about how (and I'm paraphrasing here) western studios are technically proficient, but you have to keep an eye on them to get the right results, it starts to paint the picture that the failed results of outsourcing lie on Capcom's mismanagement, not the idea itself. This goes doubly for DmC, which had near zero involvement from Inafune (he's not even in the credits) and had Ninja Theory doing whatever they wanted without any protest from Capcom, despite the long development time, constant stream of complaints from series fans, and their presumably bloated budget, going by their projected sales.<br /><br />All the hate I see for him seems to come from a lot of ignorance, presumptions, and things people arbitrarily decide are negative traits (being a businessman, or a producer, etc.), and it universally ignores all his past work and contributions. It's annoying as hell, but I think it'll pass once MN9 comes out, people realize it isn't the devil incarnate (and judging by the reception to it on more mainstream sites, it gets positive reviews), and then we get ReCore and whatever else Comcept is planning.<br /><br />And sorry for the wall of text, everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-5509011545887900132015-07-04T02:55:12.369-05:002015-07-04T02:55:12.369-05:00Those doodads are the entire foundation of Geo'...Those doodads are the entire foundation of Geo's hair style, you take em off it becomes not his hair style at all, and no he doesn't look anything like Geo, there are so many better examples to choose from. He looks like some Evangelion chick with an animed ben ten head for one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-8145691589544162202015-07-04T02:19:39.162-05:002015-07-04T02:19:39.162-05:00Inafune is not a savior of Mega Man, and no one he...Inafune is not a savior of Mega Man, and no one here is saying he is. Making MN9, Gunvolt (not really made, but had involvement with it), and now this won't save Capcom's Mega Man. Hell, it doesn't even make Capcom of Japan bat their eyes.<br /><br />We obviously still want Mega Man games, real Mega Man games, but that's Capcom's own choice now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-3287786062964889312015-07-04T02:07:37.863-05:002015-07-04T02:07:37.863-05:00From my understanding, you're the one who is n...From my understanding, you're the one who is not reading my posts. And for god sake, please calm down and stop shouting like that, it doesn't make you look good and seems really childish.<br /><br />Of course fans of the series want to see Legends continued and to have that awful cliffhanger resolved. I would very much like that to happen too. But the thing is, even though Red Ash is clearly meant to be a similar alternative to Legends, it is still not Legends itself. It is not intended to replace Legends. That is what I have been trying to say here.<br /><br />What Inafune is doing here is delivering a game similar in concept, setting and characterization. It will never be the same game, but what he is doing is just providing an alternative here since Capcom are likely never going to develop another Legends game themselves. No one here is saying that Red Ash is going to be the be-all, end-all.<br /><br />Red Ash has nothing to do with the continuation of Legends. They are similar but still entirely different games produced by different people. I honestly do not understand why you are complaining about Capcom dropping Legends when Red Ash has nothing to do with that. It is just a spiritual successor in concept, not intended to replace the damn series. The game won't prevent Capcom from returning to Legends if they ever wanted to. The problem here is that they won't.<br /><br />And yes, we have games like Zelda. Although it's funny the way you say that when technically Zelda came first and mastered the genre years before Legends. The difference however is that Legends has its own unique setting, which adds to the world just as much as the characters and story does. Red Ash, from my understanding, is meant to be similar to that in concept, and it will likely have just as good story and characterization to back its own setting. They're meant to compliment each other.<br /><br />You're basically being butthurt over Legends 3's cancellation and taking it out on Red Ash. Even if Red Ash didn't exist, Capcom still won't return to Legends and that is the reality of it. This changes nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-9255751278063106372015-07-03T23:37:00.974-05:002015-07-03T23:37:00.974-05:00Yeesh. What's with all this negativity? This i...Yeesh. What's with all this negativity? This is great! Sure, it's not Legends PER SAY, but since Capcom doesn't seem too interested in continuing Legends, Red Ash seems like a really great alternative. I love the high-tech/steampunk vibe the art style has going on, and I can already tell the characters have a lot of personality to them.<br />I only have one complaint. More like a nitpik, really. <br />The main character's hair is...too plain. It kinda looks like Subaru if he got the little doodads on the top of his head lopped off. He needs a little more...oomph to his doo. Longer bangs or a ponytail, for example. Or a different color. Something. Otherwise, I really like his and everyone else' designs. I really am excited for Red Ash and I can't wait to learn more!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-39547448952295876472015-07-03T22:13:57.476-05:002015-07-03T22:13:57.476-05:00"nobody praises all the others who actually i..."nobody praises all the others who actually improve upon his ideas, flesh them out and actually turn them into games."<br /><br />You could say that about any major head of any video game project.<br /><br />Miyamato, Kojima, Aonuma, Yuji Naka, Igarashi, Sakaguchi etc all hog the glory of the creations many helped make possible.<br /><br />And enough with the Keiji wanted westernization BULLSHIET, that was something fans that disliked him put on his head to allude people into thinking he was attacking Japan. He never wanted to westernize already established series he wasn't the one that put together DmC and even if he did (WHICH HE DIDN'T) he wouldn't have done that to every series.<br /><br />BTW HE was and STILL is 10000000000000000000% right in my honest opinion, Japan needed to break the mold and target bigger audiences, world audiences to compete, and the best selling market is the WESTERN ONE. He specifically said while appealing to the west don't just imitate the west, BUT HAVE YOUR OWN FLAVOR. Regardless of what he said anyway, whether you agree or disagree with his opinions he specifically said he says those things not because he hates Japan but because he wants to help Japan basically not to bastardize them. The only things that still competes with the west in terms of gaming from Japan are Pokemon, some Nintendo IPs, Final Fantasy.... Maybe Street Fighter can hold its own against Mortal Kombat and that's about it, everything else is either on the decline or niche.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-73969189264928956812015-07-03T21:22:28.341-05:002015-07-03T21:22:28.341-05:00Wow,look at all these bitter,baseless,and slandero...Wow,look at all these bitter,baseless,and slanderous comments. Is this what the Mega Man fan base has become?! Come on,you are better than that!gutsman004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-24089726645764900962015-07-03T18:28:58.866-05:002015-07-03T18:28:58.866-05:00I have worded myself wrong.
The thing with kicksta...I have worded myself wrong.<br />The thing with kickstarter and MN9 I don't actually like is not the fact they used or how they used it, but rather what was done to gain interest in it.<br />That's my main gripe. Inafune is a man of ideas, but he's not actually making any of this shit. Aside from promoting it and putting his seal of approval on it, he has little do with it. The thing I hate the most though, is what I mentioned in my previous comment.<br />EXPLOITING NOSTALGIA<br />Alternative name is: Milking Dumb Fans Based on What They Like<br /><br />The very first video he made, where the nicely done footage of him talking about wanting to make a spiritual successor and blah blah. It was the bestl done example of a "bait" that I've ever seen. Even I got caught... for some time.<br /><br />He's a fraud, plain and simple. He has ideas, he can draw quite decently. And he's a shrewd businessman. I'll give him all of that.<br />But his decision often are fucking terrible. "Westernization" anyone?<br />While I can't say I know all the facts, I really grew to despise Inafune over the years. People blame Capcom (which is shit, I know) but Inafune isn't that much better to begin with.<br />Yet a lot of dumbos in the "Megaman" fandom are literally praising him as if he's some sort of savior of Megaman.<br />He had his share of involvment, yes. But in the end, nobody praises all the others who actually improve upon his ideas, flesh them out and actually turn them into games.<br />Ehhh...Lord Fortehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424599589213267224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-38026671852945291112015-07-03T17:22:28.773-05:002015-07-03T17:22:28.773-05:00"You're shitting on Red Ash merely becaus..."You're shitting on Red Ash merely because it is not Legends and not going to complete the storyline."<br /><br />Got Damn, could you at least do me a favor and think before you post?<br /><br />No one is shitting on anything (holy got dang molly) stop being defensive. I am saying right, and pay attention very very closely, that stories etc can't be succeeded. THAT IS IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />To my understanding most Mega Man Legends fans think the gameplay and stuff is pretty average, but are mostly interested in the story and characters and world building. THAT IS MOSTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE CONTINUED. <br /><br />If you want similar gameplay to Legends, play Zelda or any other open world sandbox game that allows long/short range combat and RPG elements. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-82220743022691946742015-07-03T17:08:27.175-05:002015-07-03T17:08:27.175-05:00and Zelda overall, and Ratchet&Clank, Jet Forc...and Zelda overall, and Ratchet&Clank, Jet Force Gemini for the third person shooter style I'm sure there are more just too lazy to think of them right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-6579136933367903782015-07-03T16:55:57.763-05:002015-07-03T16:55:57.763-05:00No that is false Kitamura only had a general idea ...No that is false Kitamura only had a general idea of what he wanted Mega Man to be like, Keiji drew the sprites did the official and concept artwork, I'd say it is muh more 70-30 in Keiji's favor than 50-50, Keiji was just being humble. Serously he Drew 95% of the concept/official art for the classic series just look at his sketch books. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-49687914075735650622015-07-03T16:55:14.956-05:002015-07-03T16:55:14.956-05:00You're shitting on Red Ash merely because it i...You're shitting on Red Ash merely because it is not Legends and not going to complete the storyline. OF COURSE IT ISN'T. No one here is saying that it is.<br /><br />That's not the intention of this game. The intention of this game is to deliver a game that is SIMILAR in concept to Legends. That's a whole other thing.<br /><br />It is obviously not going to be the same game, and it is obviously going to be different. The only way Legends would see a continuation is if Capcom wants to continue it. Inafune can't do anything on his end, so to blame him and Comcept for not getting Mega Man off the moon is redundant. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame Capcom, because as I've already just said, they're never going to return to that series ever again.<br /><br />Like goddamn, calm down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-22788288898041966562015-07-03T16:44:13.109-05:002015-07-03T16:44:13.109-05:00You'll disagree with me anyway, but I don'...You'll disagree with me anyway, but I don't think Inafune's intention was/is to scam people. He said that if he does do a sequel to MN9, it would not be crowd-funded. I honestly believe the reason they did the Kickstarter was mainly to gauge interest in the game and to see if it would be a worthwhile investment.<br /><br />Look at Yooka-Laylee, they were already going to make the game to begin with, but most of the funding is there to develop extras that otherwise would not added. Because believe it or not, game development is expensive, and even seemingly tiny additions can still cost a lot. Retail publishing is an even more expensive and risky endeavor, which is why most games of this type usually end up as digital-only games. MN9 was one of the few lucky ones to secure a publisher.<br /><br />I'm not defending MN9, mind you. I mean it does look fairly mediocre now that I've seen its development over the while. But to shit on them for using Kickstarter as a stepping stone is pretty dumb. Look at the earlier pirate game and how it was dropped by publishers. Sometimes Kickstarters are necessary, especially for small, new companies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-85767178824215889272015-07-03T16:37:11.132-05:002015-07-03T16:37:11.132-05:00It is still more of an achievement than you might ...It is still more of an achievement than you might think. Kitamura created the dot graphics for Mega Man, but Inafune created how the character looks like in official art by interpreting the sprite that Kitamura made. If anybody else had come in instead of Inafune, it is possible that Mega Man would look very different today, so do not think his involvement was something minor. But you are right that Kitamura is deserving of credit too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-27026220017244182092015-07-03T16:32:43.267-05:002015-07-03T16:32:43.267-05:00They're collaborating with an animation studio...They're collaborating with an animation studio, aren't they? It could mean that the game will have animated cutscenes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-35942888842254555522015-07-03T16:02:33.599-05:002015-07-03T16:02:33.599-05:00I'm in agreement with Erik the Red here. The o...I'm in agreement with Erik the Red here. The only game that probably comes close to the gameplay of Legends is Solatorobo.Draggenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4080026879350344019.post-70385351742793865532015-07-03T13:57:31.584-05:002015-07-03T13:57:31.584-05:00Riela, be aware that he is not the creator of Mega...Riela, be aware that he is not the creator of Megaman. He is co-creator. Read his statement quote: The real creator was Inafune's mentor, Akira Kitamura.. Inafune himself said that:<br />''You told me that I am the father of Mega Man, but in fact it was already created when I joined the team at Capcom. My mentor, Akira Kitamura, had already created the character and knew what he wanted to make the game. Therefore, I only participate in its development. When Rockman arrived on the Super Famicon, I asked what if he was given a new look? But the design wasn't accepted and it became the character Zero". -Infafune TGS 2007<br />''I only did half of the job in creating him. I didn't get to completely design a Mega Man [protagonist] from scratch until Zero (Mega Man X)''..<br />''Akira Kitamura (A.K.) was the one who came up with the concept and did all the gameplay design on MM1 and 2''Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com